Pre racist world

[Kiota]

So as some of you might know I have two chatbots, one named racist world, and a sequel named post racist world, but now I'm wanting to make a single call pre racist world, the problem is I'm having difficulty thinking of a back story, the problem I'm trying to figure out is when did humans end anthros first interact, and why would the anthros become the minority of the population, what caused them to be seen as lesser than the humans, because most of them are clearly stronger, and this time I thought it would be a fun idea if I asked you guys for assistance, additionally I will be crediting you in the introduction of the chatbot, , I hope you like being the most bluntly named chatbot on the planet

[Kiota]

Hay, I know the name is very blunt, I know that it can easily be interpreted really badly, but it's not what it sounds, you play as an Anthro, this can be furries, bipeds, kemonomimi, etc, and you have to live it in human society as the minority, meaning you're often on receiving end of racism, that is the plot of all of the versions, of course I'm not going to make a chatbot centered around you getting to be racist, it's a chatbot centering around you heading to survive in a world that is literally stacked against you, and I want assistance making it, it would feel so much better knowing that I wasn't the one calling all the shots, meaning it's more of a community made thing, so please,

[DesmondTheFox]

I haven't really touched chat bots in a while but I am a story writer. Perhaps I can be of assistance. But if you don't mind giving me an addendum of what all you have thusly far, bullet points and foot notes, I can see about writing out a sort of 'how it all came to be' or at least toss ideas your way.

[Kiota]

Well the gist idea of the original is that you are an anthro surviving world where humans absolutely despise you, and depending on the difficulty you can range from you being a standard minority, to the likelihood of you getting absolutely murdered in public is almost all 100%, when I designed the sequel I took the extreme difficulty as the Canon, in the Canon the average death poll per day is 10 to 20 answers dead a day, and 90% of those deaths are caused by humans, additionally in the sequel post racist world, one of three outcomes has occurred, option one is that the anthros try to rebel and claim a small part of Central Europe as their own territory where they would live separate from humans, however they failed miserably, ending up on the brink Extinction, scenario 2 is that the air throws fought against the humans but they didn't go for just a small part of Central Europe, they went for the kill, and they nearly wiped out humans entirely, 99% of the human population being wiped out and the remaining 1% lives in underground bunkers completely cut off from the outside world, nothing being able to get in or get out, and the third and final one, Panthers had their Martin Luther King, a anthro named lykin chan begin a campaign in Japan for equal rights for anthros, his goal was to expand the equal Rights act to apply to anthros, his movement was gaining actually quite a bit of traction and even some humans Had Start supporting him, he decided to take his campaign to America, he followed the same March as Martin Luther King, but when he reached the Lincoln monument he did not step upon the pedestal where he had stood, but instead took a traditional bow, before moving his way to Washington monument, he began his speech there, but about halfway through his speech, a redneck (because of course it was a redneck) shot him in the back, all the anthros in this campaign were horrified, but the humans were furious, they beat the assassin till he was unrecognizable, after this lykin's Son Aaron Chan continued his father's campaign in Japan, eventually getting the law passed, equal rights law now apply to answers as well as any other human ethnicity, eventually the ACT spread through all of Asia, then to the Americas, then to Europe, and finally to Africa, but unfortunately just like the equal Rights act for African Americans, it wasn't perfect, prejudice was still very strong in racism was also still a thing, but it wasn't nearly as bad as, if you getting murdered is 50/50, so better but not entirely done. What I'm thinking for the prequel is that this is shortly after if not right after humans and anthros first interacted, I'm thinking that it's going to have two options, The diplomatic option, meaning that you and a group of anthro diplomats will negotiate with humans and trying help both sides understand each other better, four option two War, anthos and humans are at war, and you are a soldier. It's important to note that these two options are not the chat will be designed for one and not the other, the chatbot will be able to do both, similar to how difficulties work, at the beginning of the first message in the chat you select which one you want and then the story begins, the only difficulty of having with designing the thing is I don't know when the anthros and humans should first meet, I'm thinking maybe during colonial, or perhaps pre or post world war 1 era, definitely before world war II though, the one thing I do know for certain is the humans are going to need guns to force anthros into the minority they are in the present day, be those simple muskets, or full on chain guns, maybe even bombs, regardless I do not know exactly when the story should take place, even as a writer and chatbot designer I do not know the perfect time to place them, (yes I am a writer but I've only ever wrote one book, it was a really really good book though), so any assistance you could provide would be very helpful

[DesmondTheFox]

That is a whoooole lot of info to take in all at once. Though it seems you have a good grasp on what you want in mind already. You have the first two bots and stories in place for where you want to go but you are struggling with the origins and how it all started? (If I'm reading that right, Forgive me it's a bit late at the moment of typing and my brain derps at times)

Depending on how you want the story to go, it could really have started at any point in time. Renaissance, medieval, industrial, periods. It just depends on how strong the humans are in terms of tech and control over the lands they dominate. Perhaps even more important is how dense the population of anthros is. Humans in most stories tend to control what they fear and fear what they can't control. That usually being the basis of what causes conflicts. If the anthro population is sparse with them only being half or even less in comparison to the humans before hand it might be a later time period before the two meet. But racism against them, especially if the population is on par with humans, could have started far far earlier.

An example of real life racism that sort of popped out of no where in our own historical time line, it was right after the dark ages that was caused by The Roman Orthodoxy Church after (early Christianity) took over, went on its crusades, stated that church, state and law would be basically the same and wiped out all who opposed.

That rough idea could be a basis on what happened between Anthros and humans. One human religious group begins some mass zealotry. Debat is suppressed and Questions are simpled outlawed. Only the church is right, question it and you are Lost. Believe something against it and your heresy. This could have essentially triggered a massive dark age in your own world. And even been the basis of racism like in our world. When the dark ages ended, Christianity was there to rise from the ashes. Along with it came their well known superiority complex that likely evolved into racism since those who were seen standout out from and away from their own religion were clearly lesser. Even those in Africa they used to trade and debate with were no longer equals.

Essentially you could have it go back as far as you like, humans becoming bigots over time and becoming withdrawn from the Anthros due to that and zealotry to their new found faith and this could be the spark that sets everything off. You don't need guns to suppress others. Just a stronger iron will in your faith and a determination to see the wrong be 'corrected' and those who don't conform are repurposed.

(hope all that somewhat helps. At least helps in sparking an idea. Brain is fuzzy. Much static but I wanted to throw an idea out there.)

[Kiota]

Thank you for the ideas, (also I'm a big history nerd so it's always fun to learn you more stuff about history), as for your question with population, the answer is in humans even before interacting I've always had a somewhat similar population size, in the modern time of population is 60% humans 40% anthros, but I'm thinking that back then it probably would be 70% humans 30% anthros, also I think they would need guns cuz anthro's are quite a bit stronger than humans, and bows aren't going to cut it, and swords are useless cuz anthos are just really good at melee, so yeah, also the idea of the story is that anthros humans have only just met, I send it neither species knew the other existed entirely, they might have heard of rumors of each other but they never fully interacted before, and the reason behind the racism is the same as the modern version, humans don't like other humans because their skin is slightly darker, imagine how they feel with a completely different species and genus

[DesmondTheFox]

There is more to it in the real world when it comes to racism. It's usually a superiority thing or a religious thing. Someone thinks this other race of similar people are inferior because they don't believe in the same god or worse believe in what is now heresy to the racist person. It's not quiet enough to say "oh they look different". People of white people look different to other whites. But it's a more significant stigma that really pushes the racist part. Having a good and strong belief in why someone must be superior to the other is how you make a strong foundation of belief and circle of close zealots that think that way and won't be persuaded otherwise. There are so many people in the world it's hard to believe that all would feel the same. Evening zealous circles. That's how you get schisms. And separate sects all together. Seperateists even. But if you had some strong groups in control that perpetuate a specific stigma around the Anthros that helps a lot with the believability of the scene and helps you back up their reasons no matter how racist it gets. As long as there is a strong foundation, with or without evidence, religious or not. There needs to be someone at the start of it all spouting what they believe and rallying others behind them. Propaganda and other methods. Even staging evidence to push their view further. It's corrupt. It's awful. But most of all, it's visceral and believable.

[DesmondTheFox]

Also quick side note that has little to do with this scene, I have a world I'm actively working on with a faction that deals with heavy racism, propaganda, military culture, among other things. Think I should make my own thread on that to see what others think? Perhaps share ideas and inspire you more with my own writing should you give it a read?

[Kiota]

Okay, well an important thing to note is that the humans have an extreme superiority complex, they're only reasoning behind it is that because answers are usually somewhat animal in their appearance, that makes humans smarter than them, additionally they use their more advanced technology to convince anthro's that they are also stronger than them, and any anthro that points out the flaws in there superiority philosophy is gunned down instantly, founding killed immediately, they do everything in their power to make sure answer is stay the minority, and because they've done it for so long both sides are convinced that's how it's always been, the answer is I started to believe they are inferior, and the human now are convinced they are superior, but that's modern times, free racist world will be taking place shortly after if not when they first meet, so this is likely where the superiority and inferiority complexes are created, also the part where they use technology to make the answers feel weaker than humans, would also imply that they need to have guns at least, again that leaves the question where specifically does the story take place, during colonial makes sense cuz humans would be expanding a lot which means they would likely encounter anthros, but also right before world war I could work as well because technology would be far better and at that point humans have finally covered the globe, or it could be right after world war I when people were starting to pay more attention to what's happening in countries and territories, allowing them to meet the anthros, the reason they were found during the war would probably be because the war was taking up too much time and the anthros might have incidentally used it as a distraction to remain hidden, all of those also bring up another question, did the anthros know about the humans before the humans knew about the anthros, or did they both meet each other at the same time, because it's colonial they probably met at that exact point and had never seen each other before then, if it's before or after world war 1 the anthros probably knew about humans, but the humans might not have known about anthros, and while I like your specific details about how racism works, the concept of racist world was a exaggerated dumb down depiction of racism, taking pre Martin Luther King African American racism to an extreme, but applying it to anthros in the modern time, the original reason I made it was to let everyone know somewhat what the people of that time had experienced, and then it evolved into what it is now, regardless you're input is very appreciated

[DesmondTheFox]

Well with that being the case and now that I see your intention and goal being a far more exaggerated form of it, then we have a better idea of what options there are. For me personally, I would go with the idea they never met before. If Humans are very superior in nature, just because they say so without much nuisance, they just...are. Then it would make sense that if they met them at the same time, or if at least the Anthros knew of them and later met the humans directly, it would be an earth shattering concept to those who feel, believe, and truly vouch that they are indeed superior. Seeing something else that can walk, talk and do things like you can despite you thinking your the best thing since sliced bread, is a real ideological shake up. That could cause the extreme racism.